Comedian, movie star, and amateur philosopher, Russell Brand, is the host of a new podcast called, Under The Skin, and I AM OBSESSED. On the podcast, he’s interviewed the likes of Al Gore, Neil Degrasse Tyson, and David Lynch.
Recently, I had the pleasure of listening to Brand’s episode interview with Brené Brown. And, if you just paused and asked yourself, “who is Brené Brown??”, MY question to YOU is…
HAVE YOU BEEN LIVING UNDER A ROCK??
Who Is Brené Brown?
Okay, I get it. Not everyone is hip to the trends. But Brené is too good to ignore, so listen up, friends.
In 2010, Brené Brown gave a TED talk on the power of vulnerability that went viral almost overnight. With over 45 million views, it is now one of the top 5 most viewed TED talks in the world. Brown now has five #1 New York Times Best Selling books, a Netflix special, and a massive following to her name. This professor/researcher/Texan is a wellness tour de force.
Something about the earthy realness of Brown struck a chord with millions of people all over the globe. She has a talent for unpacking poignant issues of our time (ANY time really). Plus, she discusses them in a way that makes you feel like you’re out with a friend, sipping coffee, and listening to stories on any ole Sunday afternoon. When she speaks, you can’t help but drink in everything she has to say.
What Brené Taught Me
I love everything that I have heard from Brené Brown, and this podcast episode was no exception. So, what did I learn?
A quote that she mentions in the episode sums it up nicely:
“If you do not transform your pain, you will transmit it”
~ Father Richard Rhor
This sentiment is the basis of the research that Brené Brown has done over the past decade: empowering people to transform their pain.
How Brown came to this place in her work is a story that starts with, what she lovingly refers to as, the compassion smackdown.
The Compassion Smackdown
If you know Brené Brown, you may have heard her refer to this “compassion smackdown”. What this phrase refers to, is a stack of research done by Brown and her colleagues. Over eight years, Brown’s research team delved deeply into studying compassion, vulnerability, and shame.
In the interview with Brand, Brown explains that she is a grounded theory/qualitative researcher. She and her research team look for patterns and themes in the data that they collected surrounding shame. They look for consistencies to emerge until they find something that “reaches saturation.”
According to Brown, saturation occurs when “this pattern or theme has occurred across so many interviews, we can predict it to happen in the next one and the next one and the next one.”
When you’ve found these patterns so often that you can begin to predict specific outcomes, “theories emerge from the data” that you can take into everyday life.
Looking At Compassion
Brown began her research by asking groups of compassionate people by vocation (monks, priests, nuns, etc.), what compassion meant to them.
After countless interviews, they found a group of people who lived out the operational definition of compassion. These were people who reached out to others with kindness and empathy. They were people who saw the humanity in everyone and believed in oneness in all.
Then, she interviewed these people extensively. From these interviews, interesting similarities began to crop up.
What Brown had expected to find was that the underlying thread with compassionate people was a strong spiritual belief.
Instead, what she discovered is that the most compassionate people had, “boundaries of steel.”
Confused by her findings, Brown went back and asked these extremely boundaried people if they resonated with what was found. Did they intend to set clear boundaries in their lives? Where did their healthy boundaries come from?
In general, the response was, “I would not have said it that way, but yes, I am very clear about what’s okay and what’s not okay. I don’t subject myself to the abuse of other people.”
Boundaries of Steel: Stories About Boundaries Setting
So, what exactly do healthy boundaries look like? To put it into Brené Brown’s words: boundaries are finding a way to be generous towards others while continuing to stay in your integrity. It’s staying true to yourself and grounded while also feeling compassion towards others.
One story from her research involves a group of clergy people. She asked a group of deacons (leaders in a Christian church) the question, “do you think people are doing the best that they can?” Time and time again, the response she received was split. 50% of people responded with “yes,” and 50% with “no.”
For those who said “no,” she asked them to think of someone in their life that isn’t doing the best that they can. Then she asked, “how would you feel/what would you say if God came down and told you that this person is doing the absolute best that they can?”
When asking this question to atheists or agnostics, Brown changed the language to “The Universe” or a “Higher Power” instead of “God.” The 50/50 split always stayed the same.
Because these were deacons who had such a powerful connection to a higher power, this was a breakthrough moment for many of them. Especially for the deacons who were the ones that responded with, “no, people are not always doing the best that they can.”
There were two deacons (who happened to be married) who immediately thought of someone that they both knew. They both broke down in tears at Brown’s follow up question.
The person they thought of was a parent who was abusive and neglectful. They had had their children removed from their trailer home several times for their inability to care for them. Every time that a child was taken away, they had another child.
This person received monetary help from the church to support their child. But, instead of using the money to buy formula, they cut the baby formula with water so they could go and gamble the money. It was this person that these deacons had a hard time believing was doing the best that they could.
At the moment when Brown asked the question about God coming down, these deacons realized that they needed to do one of two things. They needed to either stop helping, or continue to give help/support with non-judgment, compassion, and love. They realized that helping with hate was not helping. Helping through hate, anger, and frustration was putting them outside of their integrity, and outside of their faith.
When It Hits Home
She tells a story about a conversation with one of her female friends. She asked this friend if she thought that generally, people were doing the best that they could, to which her friend said, “no, people are so f*cking lazy.”
Her friend proceeded to give her an example. She said that women who stop breastfeeding their children early are people who are not doing the best that they can. She said that it’s so selfish to stop breastfeeding, especially if it’s just “too hard” or they want to get back to work. In her opinion, if people stop breastfeeding their children early, they shouldn’t have even had kids.
At that moment, things changed for Brown. She realized that she was that person. She stopped breastfeeding her kids early. For her, it became too difficult to do while she went back to work, among other personal reasons. At the time, she didn’t admit this to her friend. Internally, she kept wanting to say, “you don’t know me or my situation; I’m doing the absolute best that I can.”
Stories Of Domestic Abuse
While pursuing her Ph.D., Brown talked to many different people who were victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. She discovered that “the women who believed that their partners were doing the best they could, were the ones who left and got their children out.”
Brown explains that this theme was overwhelmingly prevalent. The women who got out of the cycle of abuse weren’t saying negative things about their partners or name-calling. Instead, they said something like, “I love him, he’s broken right now, he’s doing the best he can, and I’m not safe, and my kids are not safe.”
How To Set Boundaries In Relationships
The Brené Brown method of boundaries setting is called BIG. BIG stands for Boundaries, Integrity, and Generosity. Put simply, how can you set boundaries in your life that help you stay in your integrity while remaining generous towards others?
Setting boundaries in your own life is as simple and as complicated as saying, “here’s what’s okay, and here’s what’s not okay.” Doing this while extracting all ego, judgment, and grandiosity from the equation, so there is no, “I’m better than you, so I want you to act this way,” et cetera, is vital.
To give an example of how to do this, I’ll share one last solid Brené Brown story from her interview with Brand:
Brown hosted a holiday party at her house every year for a group of her friends. In the years prior, there was one friend who tended to get too drunk and make other party-goers uncomfortable.
This year, Brown decided to do something different. Instead of allowing events to unfold, she decided to address this friend before the party. She approached her and said, “I would love to see you and your family at my party this year, but if you decide to come, I’m going to have to ask you not to drink.” At first, her friend didn’t get it. She said, “oh yeah, I got a bit out of hand last year. I’ll have to tone it down.” Brown responded by saying, “I’m not asking you to tone it down, I am saying that if you come to my party, I am asking you not to drink.”
Boundaries do not = judgement
Without any judgment, resentment, malice, et cetera, Brown stated clearly what she would allow and what she wouldn’t allow. Unfortunately, her friend did not like hearing what she had to say. But for Brown, it was more important to set boundaries, respect herself, and accept what would happen afterward.
Despite her friend’s adverse reaction, Brown remained true to herself. She set clear boundaries and could feel good moving forward with the consequences.
~ paraphrase from Brené Brown, original quote unknown
“Each time you break your boundaries in order to ensure someone else likes you, you end up liking yourself that much less.” ~Brianna Wiest
Time and time again, Brown found that the answer to the question, “how do you live with more compassion?” is: clear boundaries. Setting boundaries creates respect for yourself and from the people in your life.
When Brené Brown asked her husband if he believed that people were doing the best that they could, he had a different response. He said, “I am not sure, but I know that I’m happier, and my life is better when I believe that they are.”
Assuming the best in people, no matter how much anger/frustration they are causing you, will help you to see the humanity in others. This is what will help you to remain in your integrity.
Setting a clear boundary sends a message to yourself and to others that you have a strong sense of self-awareness and self-respect. The more clearly you communicate your boundaries without ego, the more you can remain generous to others and simultaneously true to yourself.
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About the Author
Sara Hansen is a professional writer, editor, and creative content developer specializing in health and wellness industry topics. Having worked with a variety of wellness entrepreneurs (authors, retreat leaders, sleep experts, non-profit founders, and more), Sara continues to follow her passion: assisting wellness entrepreneurs in building the voice, soul, and brand of their business.
Sara is a certified yoga instructor who dreams of continuing her studies in yoga, meditation, and all forms of spiritual growth. At her core, she is a seeker, learner, and lover of human connection.
In her free time, you can find Sara daydreaming, star gazing, eating papaya, petting a cat, laughing for no reason, and/or playing whatever musical instrument she can get her hands on.
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